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		<title>By: dhfdeeee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sextubeluck</title>
		<link>http://www.campfirenyc.com/archive/2007/11/21/universal-music-group-lawsuits-stifle-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-16539</link>
		<dc:creator>sextubeluck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gr8 resrch bro…</p>
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		<title>By: loans13</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow !!<br />
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		<title>By: Marc G</title>
		<link>http://www.campfirenyc.com/archive/2007/11/21/universal-music-group-lawsuits-stifle-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First and foremost I am willing to bet it will take at least another decade before the labels figure this whole internet thing out.  I remember being in meetings with them in 2000 trying to talk them out of selling digital downloads with a price point of $1.-50-3.00 per song that was in a format of less quality than a CD.  We can&#039;t get them to let digital song samples on iTunes, eMusic, etc go longer than 30 seconds, which is definitely not enough time to get a feel for a 4 minute song so asking them to understand allowing fans to remix music that they (or some other publisher) owns is harder than figuring out how to effectively get a manned spacecraft to Neptune.  The music industry has run on the same model for decades and it&#039;s so ingrained in their heads that understanding what their fans want is nearly impossible.  Ever since the digital era the only people who have understood the fans wants and desires are the artists themselves.  Heck, it was indie artists who made MySpace what it is today.  Believe me you won&#039;t see labels, who use MySpace as a marketing tool now, utilize MySpace like Mike Woods of Damone does.  Take a look at http://www.myspace.com/michaelw475 and see how actively he keeps the content fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First and foremost I am willing to bet it will take at least another decade before the labels figure this whole internet thing out.  I remember being in meetings with them in 2000 trying to talk them out of selling digital downloads with a price point of $1.-50-3.00 per song that was in a format of less quality than a CD.  We can&#8217;t get them to let digital song samples on iTunes, eMusic, etc go longer than 30 seconds, which is definitely not enough time to get a feel for a 4 minute song so asking them to understand allowing fans to remix music that they (or some other publisher) owns is harder than figuring out how to effectively get a manned spacecraft to Neptune.  The music industry has run on the same model for decades and it&#8217;s so ingrained in their heads that understanding what their fans want is nearly impossible.  Ever since the digital era the only people who have understood the fans wants and desires are the artists themselves.  Heck, it was indie artists who made MySpace what it is today.  Believe me you won&#8217;t see labels, who use MySpace as a marketing tool now, utilize MySpace like Mike Woods of Damone does.  Take a look at <a href="http://www.myspace.com/michaelw475" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/michaelw475</a> and see how actively he keeps the content fresh.</p>
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		<title>By: reeegan</title>
		<link>http://www.campfirenyc.com/archive/2007/11/21/universal-music-group-lawsuits-stifle-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>reeegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is more good commentary on this subject. I think the business is changing, but I don&#039;t think you can blame the labels for missing Napster. I DO think you blame them for forcing crap down consumers throats, which only led to Napster&#039;s success... 

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/11/wireds-seth-mnookin-has-written.html

and

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2007/11/wired_talks_to.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is more good commentary on this subject. I think the business is changing, but I don&#8217;t think you can blame the labels for missing Napster. I DO think you blame them for forcing crap down consumers throats, which only led to Napster&#8217;s success&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/11/wireds-seth-mnookin-has-written.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/11/wireds-seth-mnookin-has-written.html</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2007/11/wired_talks_to.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2007/11/wired_talks_to.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr Snarky</title>
		<link>http://www.campfirenyc.com/archive/2007/11/21/universal-music-group-lawsuits-stifle-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-3329</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Snarky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UMG is not only leaving money on the floor, but they&#039;re leaving it on the table, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UMG is not only leaving money on the floor, but they&#8217;re leaving it on the table, too.</p>
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		<dc:creator>StumbleUpon &#187; Your page is now on StumbleUpon!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the future of entertainment, Universal should take heed in innovators such as NIN and Radiohead.  One of the biggest marketing mistakes was to stifle Napster instead of running with it...

User generated material will grow like wildfire as the writers strike continues.  Opportunity is knocking, will someone get the door?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the future of entertainment, Universal should take heed in innovators such as NIN and Radiohead.  One of the biggest marketing mistakes was to stifle Napster instead of running with it&#8230;</p>
<p>User generated material will grow like wildfire as the writers strike continues.  Opportunity is knocking, will someone get the door?</p>
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		<title>By: Campfiresteve</title>
		<link>http://www.campfirenyc.com/archive/2007/11/21/universal-music-group-lawsuits-stifle-innovation/comment-page-1/#comment-3302</link>
		<dc:creator>Campfiresteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story. But also sounds like Trent is unwilling to take responsibility himself for his fans&#039; actions: 

&quot;...Because of this they no longer will host our remix site, and are insisting that Nine Inch Nails host it. In exchange for this they will continue to let me upload my Universal masters and make them available to fans, BUT shift the liability of hosting them to me. 

Part of the arrangement is having user licenses that the fans sign (not unlike those on MySpace or You Tube) saying they will not use unauthorized materials. If they WERE to do such a thing, everybody sues everybody and the world abruptly ends...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story. But also sounds like Trent is unwilling to take responsibility himself for his fans&#8217; actions: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Because of this they no longer will host our remix site, and are insisting that Nine Inch Nails host it. In exchange for this they will continue to let me upload my Universal masters and make them available to fans, BUT shift the liability of hosting them to me. </p>
<p>Part of the arrangement is having user licenses that the fans sign (not unlike those on MySpace or You Tube) saying they will not use unauthorized materials. If they WERE to do such a thing, everybody sues everybody and the world abruptly ends&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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